I don't believe so, since there are Extroverts who are intelligent. Though the most intelligent types (on average) are Introverts, by that point, it starts manifesting in ways that are probably, and for most of the time, somewhat counter-intuitive, in that they will avoid the practical and immerse themselves with the non-practical and/or philosophical, tend to explain others' not understanding their views by the other's lack of intelligence (thus increasing the gap between the Introvert and the others (It should be noted that this usually causes the others to overstate the Introvert's intelligence and abilities, often to the point of believing the Introvert's intellectual or academic success is due to "him being him.")), and tend to have a bit (or more) of antisocial tendencies. These intelligent Introverts (most people who are, but not limited to, INTJ, INTP, INFJ, INFP) tend to mask their emotions and feelings and generally don't like speaking of their feelings, especially negative ones. The intelligent Extroverts (most people who are, but not limited to, ENTJ, ENTP) tend to be more free-speaking with their emotions. It should be noted that the INTJ, INTP, INFJ, and INFP types are some of the rarest personality types, so in fact, one would see somewhat of a balance between intelligent Introverts and intelligent Extroverts. For those who believe I'm placing a stereotype or a bias upon these types, I am not. These are observances of tendencies that I have noted among people I know and tendencies that are seen among these types. And for those who believe that I'm assuming too much about the state of intelligent Introverts, I can only respond that I AM one. I also have friends who are. All of us exert these tendencies and characteristics.
I don't think intelligence has anything to do with being able to hide emotions. You can know ways to hide it but that doesn't correlate with intelligence at all. While being a really intelligent person, I myself don't even really care about hiding my feelings and I think people are sometimes able to read through me (aside from people who can read through me almost anytime).
Ok - here are my sweeping generalization based on my own experiences. I haven't read all the posts in this thread (14 pages is a lot of posts) so forgive me if I repeat anything others may have already said.
Hiding depression from your loved ones is easy, no matter how smart you are, unless your depression is truly severe. However, even then, the degree of depression is still "hide-able". If you are a stranger to depression it is probably more difficult to hide it, as the people around you will most likely recognize that you aren't acting like yourself. If you have a history of depression I think it's a little easier to lie about it. Your friends and family might recognize your depression, but may assume you will work through it because you have done so in the past. This can be very dangerous - most good lies are based in some degree on the truth. Being able to say "yes, I'm depressed but I'm doing ok" makes it easier to hide the severity of it from people who have known you to be depressed in the past. Additionally, severe depressions tend to lead to some degree of self-isolation, and this is when you enter the danger zone, because in order to hide the severity you start pulling away from the people closest to you (making it harder for them to read you because they aren't around).
I've fought depression for 30 years, it runs in my family. Sometimes I was able to hide it quite well - but those were the depressions that weren't quite so desperate (for lack of a better word). The times when my depression was truly severe, it was impossible to completely cover it up - my close family and friends usually had some idea something was wrong. Still, I was able to hide the fact that I was becoming dangerous to myself from everyone except my husband - but we've been married for 18 years and he knows to be on guard when I start spiraling downwards. Not everyone has that kind of support.
My grandfather committed suicide before I was born. My family knew he was depressed and had problems, but I don't think anyone knew how bad it had gotten. One of my very good friends committed suicide a few years ago and I knew he was going through some stuff, but he'd just broken up with his girlfriend and I figured that his sadness and self-isolation was simply the pain of heartbreak. Something he would work through with time...I was wrong. Even with my own history of depression, I missed it - when I should have probably been more sensitive to it than most. There are no obvious answers to situations like this. You can tell people to seek help, but often they are in denial about how severe their own depression has become. Other factors can lead to denial as well - to someone who is depressed self-hate feels justified. It feels like you deserve your suffering - and frequently you don't want to tell people because you're afraid if they know the things you hate about yourself, they will hate you too. I once had a friend ask me how someone could even consider suicide when they have children. It's hard to explain to someone who has never been severely depressed, but at some point in the downward spiral you become convinced that your loved ones would be better off without you (i.e. a mentality of "if I die, my daughter will grieve and it will cause her sadness/problems in her life, but it's better than how badly I'll screw her up if I stay").
It's also not possible for a person who is depressed to be completely objective about their own circumstances - so they may not recognize their own symptoms, especially since depression can manifest in many different, and sometime contradictory ways (insomnia vs. sleeping too much, obsessive thoughts vs. lethargy). If a person can't objectively judge that they are depressed, then they aren't really lying to others - they don't know the truth themselves. I feel that the question in the poll is misleading. It implies active knowledge that the depressed person is actively keeping from others - and this is often not the case.
Sadly, "lying" and depression tend to go hand in hand. Although I would argue that most people aren't "lying" - they're hiding. Hiding depression isn't something only smart people can accomplish, all depressed people can and do accomplish it to some degree but the most dangerous cases are the one where the person is "buying" their own lie. Intelligence has nothing to do with it - depression itself lies, to the person experiencing it and the people outside of it. Lying and depression are complicated. Saying that someone who is depressed is lying about how they feel is (imho) a false premise. People who are depressed lie to themselves - they generally aren't trying to lie to other people. They're just buying their own con.
That's my 25 cents - sorry if I rambled. After fighting it for 30+ years you'd think I'd have some great wisdom or insight to share - but I really don't. The only thing I can say is, if you're worried about yourself, don't disregard that or tell yourself you are being selfish or silly. If you hate yourself, remember that you are not alone - and by that I mean that your feelings are not unique, there are many other people feeling the exact same way you do. If you have an aversion to therapy and don't want to admit to being depressed because you don't want to end up there - try find a support group in your area (the best therapy I've ever been in was group therapy - and I learned way more from the people than I did from the therapist) If you are concerned about someone you care about being depressed - don't dismiss it or feel like your invading their privacy by bringing it up. Talk to them - explain every symptom you've seen and why it worries you or seems out of character. If someone confesses that they are suicidal to you, or even makes an attempt on their own life, DO NOT get mad at them...They aren't trying to be selfish - they are in terrible pain. And they feel very alone. If you are unable to recognize and understand this, they will simply feel even more alone. If someone tells you that they are contemplating suicide, ACT. If you have to, tell the other people in their life that they feel this way. Tell them to look for the signs. If necessary, stage an intervention - just like you would with an addict. Try to make them get help. If they've admitted how they are feeling then that is a good sign that they are conflicted about their feelings and on some level do not want to die. Try to help them, never blame them.
Ok - that's about it. If you're reading this and you're depressed, know that my heart is with you - no matter how severe your depression is or isn't. As a friend of mine once said, "all pain fills the cup". Don't tell yourself that your problems are silly or that you are/will be a burden to others - those are the most dangerous lies your brain will tell you. Tell it to shut up and call your best friend, your spouse, your lover, your mother - it doesn't matter who - talk to someone, even if you think you aren't in bad shape. Everyone needs an outlet.
I was under the impression that it was moreso based on the actual problems they suffered from as well as who their family or surrounding social members are. Whether you have a high IQ or low, I don't think it would make it hard to tell what's on the mind of someone that is visibly bi-polar. Too many variables aren't addressed!
This might be a good topic to discuss, but it does not work as a YES/NO opinion poll at all. It does not mean anything to me to know a certain percent of users say NO to such a complex question. Come on, now!
True, but there is a societal component too. If you have a high IQ, you have a tendency to overthink things, just because you're constantly *thinking*. It's a rather well-documented fact that intelligent people are more prone to depression, because they are aware of many hopes and dreams being futile, aware of the mechanisms keeping people down. Yet, society tends to give them more shit for it.
"You are so bright, what do you have to complain about?" "Be grateful for the gifts you've been given, and stop complaining!" "If you're so intelligent, why don't you just solve your problems?" "You are so intelligent, you can do things other people can't, you really have no reason to be depressed!" "Why are you squandering your gifts instead of using them to make money?"
Basically, our problems and experiences are constantly invalidated. Society constantly tells us that we have no right to be depressed. So we hide, because we *have* to, because people constantly react with annoyance instead of compassion. And practice makes perfect.
Most people mistake Nihilism for depression (ie, "Nothing has meaning until you give it a meaning"). I have personally encountered a lot more Nihilistic world views from thinkers than I have with feelers. Depression is more of a self-critical and defensive psychological posture to personal woes.
Overall, it boils down to public perception. Society is taught that everything is black and white.
I was talking about the psychic disorder, I don't know where you are taking the nihilism from. I'm talking about intelligent people despairing because they know that "you can achieve whatever you want, you just have to work hard enough" is a fucking lie. That the few people who make it are the exception, not the rule, and that if you don't belong to a privileged few, the system will fuck up your life. And there is nothing you can do to change it, because you don't have the power-base to do so. Despairing because the system we live in is all kinds of fucked up and inhumane, and most people being too stupid to even realise this.
Yes - because all the stupidest people I've ever known act out on pure emotion (often doing something they end up regretting) rather than having the logic to see the big picture and think up a more appropriate response to the situation
Smarter people are also less likeley to need help during these times too and may just not feel the need to talk about it if they can find a solution on their own
I voted yes. While I think only in certain situations can intellect and emotions be connected, I do absolutely think creativity and emotions are connected. For example, as a person who is in honor classes and in the drama club, I am pretty good at showing only what I want to to others, which is why my default expression is actually a smile. I'm not saying that ditsy and bland people can't hide emotions, but it's more like I think smart and creative people can do it better to a certain degree.
Your level of intelligence does not effect your level of emotional values. Emotions are equally hard or easy to handle depending on what kind of person you are; Do you break under pressure, or stand your defiant ground? There is no line between intelligence and "acting," because they are totally unrelated subjects.
A child whose emotional level is at breaking point can lie to others as well as himself to hide their true emotions that lurk inside. Bottling up your emotions is natural for most people, and completely automatic. No matter if you are really smart or a bit of a ditz, would you tell your mother that you are depressed about school and the stress of it is getting to you so much that you want to end your life? I wouldn't. Some people would, but the majority of us would keep quiet. It's an instinct that is completely unrelated to intelligence. So no.
The human soul is equally gullible and thus prone to misery. It is through a-knowing-of-the-self that one can know god and thus alleviate the misery of day-to-day life. Spiritualism, distinct and separate from intelligence or talent helps one deal with it. Intelligence and talent can help you masquerade, to develop a facade, but it won't lessen the suffering.
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Isn't the main characteristic that is important about this question supposed to be one's capability to cope with misery? And doesn't that come out of one's emotional state of being rather than rational? I guess your question is abstract in nature. Which is totally awesome.
This is an odd question. It really isn't in the intelligence but rather in the extent of the emotions. I accidentally voted yes but it should have been a no, or it shouldn't have been a vote to either. (I suggest you update the poll system to allow for vote changing.)
Talented people, however, might be good at hiding it.
I have an above average IQ and emotional issues. My problems are very visible when they do come to a head, but for practical reasons, I try to repress my emotions around other people. I have social skills problems that make it harder for me to communicate my issues. If there is a relationship between higher intelligence and poor social skills, it might be more common for people to really have more trouble communicating their serious issues rather than being good at hiding them.