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Are highly intelligent or very talented people better able to hide their misery from loved ones, thus making it all the harder to “read” them and help them? fav.me/d7ux38b

71%
51,347 deviants said Yes
29%
21,206 deviants said No


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:icongazerfactor:
GazerFactor Featured By Owner Apr 21, 2015
No, you may love unknown to you human!?? But you can't know do he feel misery!
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BlueRiverWillow Featured By Owner Oct 14, 2014
If the loved ones love them much, they may be able to understand.
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Xander130 Featured By Owner Oct 12, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
It's depends really. 
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Exovare Featured By Owner Edited Oct 11, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I don't believe so, since there are Extroverts who are intelligent. Though the most intelligent types (on average) are Introverts, by that point, it starts manifesting in ways that are probably, and for most of the time, somewhat counter-intuitive, in that they will avoid the practical and immerse themselves with the non-practical and/or philosophical, tend to explain others' not understanding their views by the other's lack of intelligence (thus increasing the gap between the Introvert and the others (It should be noted that this usually causes the others to overstate the Introvert's intelligence and abilities, often to the point of believing the Introvert's intellectual or academic success is due to "him being him.")), and tend to have a bit (or more) of antisocial tendencies. These intelligent Introverts (most people who are, but not limited to, INTJ, INTP, INFJ, INFP) tend to mask their emotions and feelings and generally don't like speaking of their feelings, especially negative ones. The intelligent Extroverts (most people who are, but not limited to, ENTJ, ENTP) tend to be more free-speaking with their emotions. It should be noted that the INTJ, INTP, INFJ, and INFP types are some of the rarest personality types, so in fact, one would see somewhat of a balance between intelligent Introverts and intelligent Extroverts.
For those who believe I'm placing a stereotype or a bias upon these types, I am not. These are observances of tendencies that I have noted among people I know and tendencies that are seen among these types. And for those who believe that I'm assuming too much about the state of intelligent Introverts, I can only respond that I AM one. I also have friends who are. All of us exert these tendencies and characteristics.
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dotphotography Featured By Owner Oct 10, 2014  Student Photographer
Yes. I have an IQ of 132 and I suffer from depression, and I'm good at hiding it. I just don't want to stress people out.
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Ishtaryu Featured By Owner Oct 10, 2014
29% = Highly intelligent people
71% = Highly intelligent people posers
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KingisNitro Featured By Owner Oct 10, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I don't think intelligence has anything to do with being able to hide emotions. You can know ways to hide it but that doesn't correlate with intelligence at all. While being a really intelligent person, I myself don't even really care about hiding my feelings and I think people are sometimes able to read through me (aside from people who can read through me almost anytime).
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:icongazerfactor:
GazerFactor Featured By Owner Apr 21, 2015
Hmm, humans are not intelligent! And person who claims that he is intelligent in 95% obviously isn't intelligent at all! So, it's basically stupid! I never saw truly intelligent person, because they can't be as intelligent as me! If you, for example, thinks some human intelligent, then you just like him in case of intelligence!
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:iconkingisnitro:
KingisNitro Featured By Owner May 9, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Your reply made, like, a half of sense, honestly. Which probably proves the "person who claims that he is intelligent in 95% obviously isn't intelligent at all" claim.
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manga-777 Featured By Owner Oct 9, 2014   Traditional Artist
Robin Williams!
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:icongoldplateartz:
GoldplateArtz Featured By Owner Oct 10, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
What´s the difference between intelligence and being two faced liar?
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:iconmanga-777:
manga-777 Featured By Owner Oct 10, 2014   Traditional Artist
intelligent people probably lie less then a two faced lair, other then that they are pretty much the same. in my opinion. :)
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:iconoriginalas:
OriginalAS Featured By Owner Oct 7, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
I don't think so, because it doesn't matter how intelligent or talented you are. What makes a person able to be not "readable" in their misery is when they are less-emotional about it.
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:iconartofmike:
ArtOfMike Featured By Owner Oct 7, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Only if they really want to hide it.
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Marcitach Featured By Owner Oct 7, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
No, because loved ones usually are in the same intelligence range. So how cunning you need to be to fool someone is different from person to person.
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aEdenClark Featured By Owner Oct 7, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Ok - here are my sweeping generalization based on my own experiences.  I haven't read all the posts in this thread (14 pages is a lot of posts) so forgive me if I repeat anything others may have already said.

Hiding depression from your loved ones is easy, no matter how smart you are, unless your depression is truly severe.  However, even then, the degree of depression is still "hide-able".  If you are a stranger to depression it is probably more difficult to hide it, as the people around you will most likely recognize that you aren't acting like yourself.  If you have a history of depression I think it's a little easier to lie about it.  Your friends and family might recognize your depression, but may assume you will work through it because you have done so in the past.  This can be very dangerous - most good lies are based in some degree on the truth. Being able to say "yes, I'm depressed but I'm doing ok" makes it easier to hide the severity of it from people who have known you to be depressed in the past.  Additionally, severe depressions tend to lead to some degree of self-isolation, and this is when you enter the danger zone, because in order to hide the severity you start pulling away from the people closest to you (making it harder for them to read you because they aren't around).

I've fought depression for 30 years, it runs in my family.  Sometimes I was able to hide it quite well - but those were the depressions that weren't quite so desperate (for lack of a better word). The times when my depression was truly severe, it was impossible to completely cover it up - my close family and friends usually had some idea something was wrong.  Still, I was able to hide the fact that I was becoming dangerous to myself from everyone except my husband - but we've been married for 18 years and he knows to be on guard when I start spiraling downwards.  Not everyone has that kind of support.

My grandfather committed suicide before I was born.  My family knew he was depressed and had problems, but I don't think anyone knew how bad it had gotten.  One of my very good friends committed suicide a few years ago and I knew he was going through some stuff, but he'd just broken up with his girlfriend and I figured that his sadness and self-isolation was simply the pain of heartbreak.  Something he would work through with time...I was wrong.  Even with my own history of depression, I missed it - when I should have probably been more sensitive to it than most.

There are no obvious answers to situations like this.  You can tell people to seek help, but often they are in denial about how severe their own depression has become.  Other factors can lead to denial as well - to someone who is depressed self-hate feels justified.  It feels like you deserve your suffering - and frequently you don't want to tell people because you're afraid if they know the things you hate about yourself, they will hate you too.  I once had a friend ask me how someone could even consider suicide when they have children.  It's hard to explain to someone who has never been severely depressed, but at some point in the downward spiral you become convinced that your loved ones would be better off without you (i.e. a mentality of "if I die, my daughter will grieve and it will cause her sadness/problems in her life, but it's better than how badly I'll screw her up if I stay").

It's also not possible for a person who is depressed to be completely objective about their own circumstances - so they may not recognize their own symptoms, especially since depression can manifest in many different, and sometime contradictory ways (insomnia vs. sleeping too much, obsessive thoughts vs. lethargy). If a person can't objectively judge that they are depressed, then they aren't really lying to others - they don't know the truth themselves.  I feel that the question in the poll is misleading. It implies active knowledge that the depressed person is actively keeping from others - and this is often not the case.

Sadly, "lying" and depression tend to go hand in hand. Although I would argue that most people aren't "lying" - they're hiding.  Hiding depression isn't something only smart people can accomplish, all depressed people can and do accomplish it to some degree but the most dangerous cases are the one where the person is "buying" their own lie.  Intelligence has nothing to do with it - depression itself lies, to the person experiencing it and the people outside of it.  Lying and depression are complicated.  Saying that someone who is depressed is lying about how they feel is (imho) a false premise.  People who are depressed lie to themselves - they generally aren't trying to lie to other people.  They're just buying their own con.

That's my 25 cents - sorry if I rambled.  After fighting it for 30+ years you'd think I'd have some great wisdom or insight to share - but I really don't.  The only thing I can say is, if you're worried about yourself, don't disregard that or tell yourself you are being selfish or silly.  If you hate yourself, remember that you are not alone - and by that I mean that your feelings are not unique, there are many other people feeling the exact same way you do.  If you have an aversion to therapy and don't want to admit to being depressed because you don't want to end up there - try find a support group in your area (the best therapy I've ever been in was group therapy - and I learned way more from the people than I did from the therapist)  If you are concerned about someone you care about being depressed - don't dismiss it or feel like your invading their privacy by bringing it up.  Talk to them - explain every symptom you've seen and why it worries you or seems out of character.  If someone confesses that they are suicidal to you, or even makes an attempt on their own life, DO NOT get mad at them...They aren't trying to be selfish - they are in terrible pain.  And they feel very alone.  If you are unable to recognize and understand this, they will simply feel even more alone.  If someone tells you that they are contemplating suicide, ACT.  If you have to, tell the other people in their life that they feel this way.  Tell them to look for the signs.  If necessary, stage an intervention - just like you would with an addict.  Try to make them get help. If they've admitted how they are feeling then that is a good sign that they are conflicted about their feelings and on some level do not want to die.  Try to help them, never blame them.

Ok - that's about it.  If you're reading this and you're depressed, know that my heart is with you - no matter how severe your depression is or isn't.  As a friend of mine once said, "all pain fills the cup".  Don't tell yourself that your problems are silly or that you are/will be a burden to others - those are the most dangerous lies your brain will tell you.  Tell it to shut up and call your best friend, your spouse, your lover, your mother - it doesn't matter who - talk to someone, even if you think you aren't in bad shape.  Everyone needs an outlet.

Peace.
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:iconqueen-of-cowards:
queen-of-cowards Featured By Owner Oct 8, 2014
wow
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:iconlegendster:
Legendster Featured By Owner Oct 7, 2014  Professional General Artist
Highly stupid poll.
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:iconkabanero:
Kabanero Featured By Owner Oct 9, 2014  Professional Artisan Crafter
Agreed
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:icondisney-bubbles:
Disney-bubbles Featured By Owner Oct 7, 2014  Professional General Artist
I said yes. Because of personal experience. Which might mean jack shit to the rest of the world, but it is my _entire_ realm to me.

In short, I both do that.... and have seen others suffer like I have.

I don't know about you guys, but I refuse to live in a culture of violence. So instead I'm building a safe network across this entire Earth.
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:iconjeremystery:
jeremystery Featured By Owner Oct 6, 2014
deviant art at it's finest
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:icondisney-bubbles:
Disney-bubbles Featured By Owner Oct 7, 2014  Professional General Artist
I couldn't agree more.
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:icongoldplateartz:
GoldplateArtz Featured By Owner Oct 10, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Is tumblr worth checking out?
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:icondisney-bubbles:
Disney-bubbles Featured By Owner Oct 10, 2014  Professional General Artist
checking out yes. Joining? Depends.
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:iconberrybean:
BerryBean Featured By Owner Oct 6, 2014  Student Digital Artist
I was under the impression that it was moreso based on the actual problems they suffered from as well as who their family or surrounding social members are. Whether you have a high IQ or low, I don't think it would make it hard to tell what's on the mind of someone that is visibly bi-polar. Too many variables aren't addressed!
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Mollikka Featured By Owner Oct 6, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
This might be a good topic to discuss, but it does not work as a YES/NO opinion poll at all. It does not mean anything to me to know a certain percent of users say NO to such a complex question. Come on, now!
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AngelaJames100 Featured By Owner Oct 6, 2014
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
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:iconclassanetwork:
ClassANetwork Featured By Owner Oct 6, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
This question is very loaded and is already answered in the field of Psychology. Some may argue MBTI's legitimacy and is still debated on its effectiveness to calculate personality.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myers-Br…

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Jun…
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ClassANetwork Featured By Owner Oct 6, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Intelligence is also a non-factor in this scenario, because intelligence does not dictate what you think or feel, or whether you use extroverted or introverted expression.

For example, I've met many intelligent ESFJs but also know a lot of dumbass INTJs.
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sleepyowlet Featured By Owner Oct 7, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
True, but there is a societal component too. If you have a high IQ, you have a tendency to overthink things, just because you're constantly *thinking*. It's a rather well-documented fact that intelligent people are more prone to depression, because they are aware of many hopes and dreams being futile, aware of the mechanisms keeping people down. Yet, society tends to give them more shit for it.

"You are so bright, what do you have to complain about?" "Be grateful for the gifts you've been given, and stop complaining!" "If you're so intelligent, why don't you just solve your problems?" "You are so intelligent, you can do things other people can't, you really have no reason to be depressed!" "Why are you squandering your gifts instead of using them to make money?"

Basically, our problems and experiences are constantly invalidated. Society constantly tells us that we have no right to be depressed. So we hide, because we *have* to, because people constantly react with annoyance instead of compassion. And practice makes perfect.
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ClassANetwork Featured By Owner Oct 7, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Most people mistake Nihilism for depression (ie, "Nothing has meaning until you give it a meaning"). I have personally encountered a lot more Nihilistic world views from thinkers than I have with feelers. Depression is more of a self-critical and defensive psychological posture to personal woes.

Overall, it boils down to public perception. Society is taught that everything is black and white.
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sleepyowlet Featured By Owner Oct 8, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
I was talking about the psychic disorder, I don't know where you are taking the nihilism from. I'm talking about intelligent people despairing because they know that "you can achieve whatever you want, you just have to work hard enough" is a fucking lie. That the few people who make it are the exception, not the rule, and that if you don't belong to a privileged few, the system will fuck up your life. And there is nothing you can do to change it, because you don't have the power-base to do so. Despairing because the system we live in is all kinds of fucked up and inhumane, and most people being too stupid to even realise this.
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:iconblindrussain:
BlindRussain Featured By Owner Oct 6, 2014  Student General Artist
Ah yes, I know this well. Thank you for reminding me of it. 
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:iconrajusikil:
rajusikil Featured By Owner Oct 6, 2014
really it all depends on how good they r at hiding all this. Sometimes it is written all in their faces already w/out the need of  “read”-ing them.
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Sharkitty Featured By Owner Oct 5, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist

Rofl. The comment above me is a great.
No but seriously, I'd have to say yes in my opinion.
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:iconenglishbubbles18:
EnglishBubbles18 Featured By Owner Oct 5, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
niggers
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LuciusAppaloosius Featured By Owner Oct 9, 2014
Troll
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EnglishBubbles18 Featured By Owner Oct 9, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
o ok
The South will rise wherever you want it too or not, jigaboo
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priteeboy Featured By Owner Oct 5, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Yes - because all the stupidest people I've ever known act out on pure emotion (often doing something they end up regretting) rather than having the logic to see the big picture and think up a more appropriate response to the situation :idea:

Smarter people are also less likeley to need help during these times too and may just not feel the need to talk about it if they can find a solution on their own :shrug:
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LachlanWeber Featured By Owner Oct 5, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
I think yes, they are, but not any more or less than anybody else. Most people will avoid sharing their own misery with the people closest to them.
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kuundere Featured By Owner Oct 5, 2014
I voted yes. While I think only in certain situations can intellect and emotions be connected, I do absolutely think creativity and emotions are connected. For example, as a person who is in honor classes and in the drama club, I am pretty good at showing only what I want to to others, which is why my default expression is actually a smile. I'm not saying that ditsy and bland people can't hide emotions, but it's more like I think smart and creative people can do it better to a certain degree.
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VirtuosicLucidity Featured By Owner Oct 7, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
I say, as a person in quite a similar situation as you've described, I agree with your statement, as I also voted yes. 
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LyricalDenizen Featured By Owner Oct 5, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
That's an incredibly interesting opinion... I dont even think I can say whether or not I agree with it yet. Thanks for the brain food.
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timohuovinen Featured By Owner Oct 5, 2014  Hobbyist
Highly intelligent people would not hide their feelings to avoid being helped
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PentaPenguin Featured By Owner Oct 10, 2014
Depending how the "help" would look like, it might be very intelligent.
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:icontimohuovinen:
timohuovinen Featured By Owner Oct 11, 2014  Hobbyist
haha, I meant the good kind of help, as the OP suggests.
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:iconsleepyowlet:
sleepyowlet Featured By Owner Oct 7, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
No, they do it because others keep telling them that they have no reason to feel that way, as intelligent as they are.
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Ekimtac Featured By Owner Oct 5, 2014  Hobbyist Photographer
I am neither highly intelligent or extremely talented. I can, however hide my feelings to the point I don't really even have them.
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FeatherWishMLP Featured By Owner Oct 5, 2014  Student General Artist
Your level of intelligence does not effect your level of emotional values. Emotions are equally hard or easy to handle depending on what kind of person you are; Do you break under pressure, or stand your defiant ground? There is no line between intelligence and "acting," because they are totally unrelated subjects.

A child whose emotional level is at breaking point can lie to others as well as himself to hide their true emotions that lurk inside. Bottling up your emotions is natural for most people, and completely automatic. No matter if you are really smart or a bit of a ditz, would you tell your mother that you are depressed about school and the stress of it is getting to you so much that you want to end your life? I wouldn't. Some people would, but the majority of us would keep quiet. It's an instinct that is completely unrelated to intelligence. So no.
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ainvincible Featured By Owner Edited Oct 5, 2014  Student Filmographer
The human soul is equally gullible and thus prone to misery. It is through a-knowing-of-the-self that one can know god and thus alleviate the misery of day-to-day life. Spiritualism, distinct and separate from intelligence or talent helps one deal with it. Intelligence and talent can help you masquerade, to develop a facade, but it won't lessen the suffering.
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